Cry "Havoc" and let loose the whiney bastards....

[kierthos]

Well, the rules-vampire list has started.

Let's all proceed to bitch about minutiae while ignoring the obvious problems.

Kierthos

Comments

Re: Oh, I don't know....

[kierthos.livejournal.com]

Hrm... I prefer my idea (what a shock, that I think my idea is the shit and all...)

Caitiff choose three Disciplines at creation. They must app for these as if they were going for Out of Clan Disciplines at creation, so if a Caitiff player wants to start with Protean, Chimerstry, and Valeran, it's two High Approvals and a Top Approval. OTOH, if they want some nice Low Approval Caitiff, they can choose three of the common Disciplines.

They pay 4/7/10 for all Disciplines.

They can learn the three Disciplines they chose to the limit of their Generation.

Re: Oh, I don't know....

[thoabath.livejournal.com]

Your idea works, but it's more complicated than mine... and if it's one thing I've learned, it's that Rules Team perfers simplicity.

That, and no High or Top approval ST would ever approve something like that. Ever.

Re: Oh, I don't know....

[kierthos.livejournal.com]

That's the point. If a player wants to try and make a Caitiff character that starts play with two High and one Top approval disciplines, they are welcome to try. They probably won't (and shouldn't) get far, but the option should be there other then the oh so 'sacred' cop-out of "Anything can be had for Top Approval."

Frankly, what I suggested is intended for those examples of Caitiff who have Protean, or Chimerstry, or Serpentis, or Obtenebration.... it's intended to improve the flexibility of playing a Caitiff. (And no, I don't think letting Caitiff choose from the so-called 8 common Disciplines is flexible. It's another cop-out.)

Kierthos

Re: Oh, I don't know....

[thoabath.livejournal.com]

But they're already welcome to try. Top Approval.

And no, it's not a cop out. A Caitiff that wants to enter play with Top Approval Disciplines would require Top Approval under your scenario. Under the current one, it would require... Top Approval. What's the difference?

Flexibility usually equals Gumby, in our fan club. We don't need gumby.

From LotN:R

"If you are Caitiff, you may simply choose any three Basic Disciplines desired, but your Storyteller may restrict you to the eight most common Disciplines - Animalism, Auspex, Celerity, Dominate, Fortitude, Obfuscate, Potence or Presence - unless you have an exceptional reason for learning a more specialized power."

In our fan club, the ST has so restricted, unless you have an exceptional reason. If you do... that's what the approval process is for.

What's so bad with that?