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There's no Old Boys Network.... yeah, right.......
More Camarilla bitching...
For pretty much as long as I have been in the Cam (and probably even before that, as I only joined in 1998), there has been talk about an "Old Boys Network". You know, that 'elite' group of members who get things their way, no matter how it affects the rest of the club. The rules are always rewritten to support the characters they play, the requirements for MC are structured (and restructed, if needed) to keep them at the top, etc., etc., ad nauseum.
Now, I don't think it really exists. Not as I just described it at least. But it's pretty goddamn obvious that some members do get their way over the objections of others, and it doesn't matter what the fuck the consequences are, because there don't appear to be any....
What started this particular rant, I hear you cry? Well, on perusing the White Wolf Camarilla forums, I saw Jess Hennig's post about how the Mage game he started in the Camarilla (with the express purpose of having no starting Master characters) got, for lack of a better word, hijacked (venue-jacked) by three MC 12+ players who said that unless he let them play Master Mages, they would insure that his venue didn't get Sanctioned.
Go look for yourself. Under the heading "6.0 Latest part II". Do it quick before someone gets Conrad to erase the thread. Because god knows we can never have any bad mouthing (even if it is true) about Regional or higher level position holders who are MC 12+.
Sure, there might not be a secret handshake, a special pin to wear on the shirt, a membership card, or even a secret clubhouse to meet in. But this shows that there is a fucking "Old Boys Network".
To any respondees, who agree or disagree with me. If you're just going to put "But there is no Old Boys Network", I suggest you look into basic tenets of literacy. You're reading, but you're not comprehending. I welcome responses, but try and use some of the sentience you supposedly have.
Kierthos
For pretty much as long as I have been in the Cam (and probably even before that, as I only joined in 1998), there has been talk about an "Old Boys Network". You know, that 'elite' group of members who get things their way, no matter how it affects the rest of the club. The rules are always rewritten to support the characters they play, the requirements for MC are structured (and restructed, if needed) to keep them at the top, etc., etc., ad nauseum.
Now, I don't think it really exists. Not as I just described it at least. But it's pretty goddamn obvious that some members do get their way over the objections of others, and it doesn't matter what the fuck the consequences are, because there don't appear to be any....
What started this particular rant, I hear you cry? Well, on perusing the White Wolf Camarilla forums, I saw Jess Hennig's post about how the Mage game he started in the Camarilla (with the express purpose of having no starting Master characters) got, for lack of a better word, hijacked (venue-jacked) by three MC 12+ players who said that unless he let them play Master Mages, they would insure that his venue didn't get Sanctioned.
Go look for yourself. Under the heading "6.0 Latest part II". Do it quick before someone gets Conrad to erase the thread. Because god knows we can never have any bad mouthing (even if it is true) about Regional or higher level position holders who are MC 12+.
Sure, there might not be a secret handshake, a special pin to wear on the shirt, a membership card, or even a secret clubhouse to meet in. But this shows that there is a fucking "Old Boys Network".
To any respondees, who agree or disagree with me. If you're just going to put "But there is no Old Boys Network", I suggest you look into basic tenets of literacy. You're reading, but you're not comprehending. I welcome responses, but try and use some of the sentience you supposedly have.
Kierthos
In response
Absolutely nothing. Sure, maybe kudos from a small number of people (rebels?) who are happy to see someone else stand up and report that they got shafted by some members of the "OBN", but you know, when it comes down to it, that isn't a whole hell of a lot.
Now, what does Jess stand to loss by lying about it?
Credibility. Instantly, if it's proven that he lied about this, *bam* he is persona non grata among _everyone_ who pays attention to these things. The people who were on his side for standing up and reporting this will view him as a traitor. The people who he accused (and their friends) will likely never treat him the same again, etc.
It's not worth the risk for him to lie.
Furthermore, let's assume, just for a second that he lied. I'm not saying he did, but it's all part of that grand "Let's Pretend" game we're in. Now, if Jess lied about something this big, don't you think someone would have said something? There is more then one person from Atlanta who posts on the WW forums... wouldn't someone else have stood up and said "Hey, Jess, you're full of shit! I know who you're talking about and their starting characters were Apprentices!"
But wait, that didn't happen.
Jess has pretty much come out and accused the former NST, Wade Jones, of being complicit in this "plot", and no one has said _anything_ to vouch for him. Okay, this happened over ICC weekend. A lot of the people who might otherwise bitch about this just got home recently and maybe haven't had a chance to check things.
Oh wait, that's a load of shit too. Because there were people at ICC who posted (from laptops and such) to the WW forums. And if anything travels faster then light, it's gossip. Not a person has come forward yet to defend any of the three members that Jess has "accused". Not that he's named names, mind, but it's pretty damn obvious who one of them is. Can't be too hard to figure out the other two.
Finally, no, I don't believe you personally would kill a thread. I don't believe you're part of the "OBN". But, in the past, it's been pretty obvious that other people do have Conrad's ear as well, and have gotten him to delete threads. I never accused all "high MC" people of being rotters. One person, who I believe is around MC 12, I still consider one of the best friends I ever had. I considered him such before I even knew 1/100th of the things he's done for this club. I would consider him such if he'd never done anything for this club. And I would walk point to the gates of Hell itself for him if he asked. There are damn few people who I would do things like that for.
But when things like this (what Jess pointed out) happen, it makes _all_ the MC 12+ people look bad. It makes all the officer levels look bad. And it makes it look worse when they aren't punished for it. (As a note, I never got a response to whether any of three people involved ever got punished for this, or if anyone even bothered to file a complaint against them for it.)
Kierthos