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Any day now....
The vampire rules list for Version 6 (genuflect when you say that!) will hit, and the resulting shitstorm as everyone argues over it will jam mailboxes across the world.....
Here's hoping they fix a few things in dire need of being mended from the brutality of 5.0/5.1.... Like the Malk "Advantage", and the currently shitty Caitiff rules.
Ah well....
Here's hoping they fix a few things in dire need of being mended from the brutality of 5.0/5.1.... Like the Malk "Advantage", and the currently shitty Caitiff rules.
Ah well....
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*sigh*
Goddamnit
fuck, why do I see a grotesquely long pause between the garou list closing and the vamp list opening? Which will make it even more of a shitstorm when it happens....
Kierthos
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GAH!
You should start with an open "Where are the problems?" session and go from there.
Gahh!
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List opens--"What are the problems?"
First off, they more or less did do that. Rules-Vampire was open to the public from its inception until 5/24/02. It got 46 messages in 36 hours, and flamewars were already starting. Reality and experience has shown the rules team that open discussion without a draft is worse than useless.
What happened? Every Tom, Dick and Cammie jumps up with their well-worn complaints that they've been fondling for years like Bilbo's ring.
Arguments ensue, no consensus is reached, it's just a big snarled heap of flamewar threads that the rules team would have to hammer out into a first draft for people to go on. Most of it would have to be disregarded anyway, since people would be bitching about nothing but 5.1 anyway and there'd be "legacy" problems. Since there's no consensus, they're just going to have to *gasp* use their own judgment OH NO! We can't have STs who think! Heavens, next they might actually have opinions!
So, in the end, it's the same damn thing. An alpha draft that the STs had to think for themselves on...no consensus being available. There'll likely be no consensus even with a draft, so those with the authority to make decisions are going to have to simply listen to the arguments and make judgments. Therefore, stating your point eloquently and supporting your arguments is going to carry more weight than who can scream the loudest.
Grim, why do you want to start this process off with nothing *but* people screaming at the top of their lungs?
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If I'd known there was a consultation period first, then maybe I'd have thought different.
yeah, people do have the same well worn arguments, because they've never been answered, but each new rules-set brings new problems.
My objection to an Alpha draft remains that it places the people who will be changing the actual document on the defensive.
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Whether there's discussion before the Alpha draft or not, it's still going to be the masses one one side and the decision-makers on the other. And just because it's unequal doesn't necessarily mean it's adversarial--I think you're exaggerating this notional defensive attitude. Judging by Rules-Mage, it seems to me that factions in the membership were far more adversarial, with the Rules Team members largely just sitting back and watching.
Really, there's no need for Rules Team folks to *get* defensive, since it fundamentally doesn't matter in the least what arguments they're assailed with. At the end of the day, they make a decision. Lots of people have lots of different opinions on what's best for the game...it's the duty of the Rules Team to assimilate and listen to those, which doesn't necessarily include sublimating their own opinions.
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My name change just got 'approved' by the Cam (Oh my, thankyou so much for acknowledging British law and my rights as an individual...) but too late for me to influence the Mage discussions.
I'd already said my piece at least.
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