But, since you're a parrot for the Democrats and popular news-media culture, I guess I shouldn't be suprised.
I still think it's interesting that even after we cluster-fucked Vietnam into a no-win situation, capitalism and market-economy still manages to pull off a win from inside the country.
The moment Wal*Mart Hanoi opens, I'm declaring that we finally won that war.
You're right. Vietnam was a mismanaged clusterfuck of a war/police action where political expediency won out over defined goals, and where the enemy was poorly defined, able to blend in with the native populace, didn't wear military uniforms, used improvised explosives on a regular basis, and received arms and support from neighboring countries.
Iraq is completely different in that it's a mismanaged clusterfuck of a war/police action where political expediency won out over defined goals, and where the enemy was poorly defined, able to blend in with the native populace, didn't wear military uniforms, used improvised explosives basis, and received arms and support from neighboring countries, but it's a different kind of brown people who are the enemy this time.
And capitalism and market forces have taken the better part of three decades from the end of the Vietnam War to pull off a win. So, I guess we should expect Wal*Mart Baghdad in 2036?
Nice use of tired cliche there. Too bad it's about as accurate as anything else spewed out in the news these days.
Might I also remind you that the Vietnam war was predominantly mismanaged by Democrat Presidents and Democratically controlled Congress. Not that it matters. But it is a little tidbit that practically everyone manages to leave out of comparisons between the Iraq war and Vietnam. Then there are the issues of military micromanagement, which, despite cries of Rumsfeld demonization, has not happened.
Oh, then there is the gigantic, 800 lb. gorilla of a reason why they don't match. We never beat off the Vietnamese army. People can whine and cry over soldiers they couldn't care less about dying overseas, we did gain control over Iraq and are now dealing with a historacally NORMAL period of post-war turmoil. That's what burns me so bad over this. This VERY SAME THING has happened after every war we've been in in the last 100 years, but to listen to people today, not only is everyone suprised that blowing up a country to rid it's controllers of power didn't end up in an episodic, Disney'esque ending where the princess lives happily ever after, but then they go back and CLAIM to give a damn about the 2,000+ soldiers that have died over there, and the 200,000 iraqis that have died, but you never hear anyone say SHIT about the average of 163 people that die EVERY DAY on US Highways.
Let's see, 2,000 soldiers... 178,000+ citizens dead all during the same period. But the Iraq war is a clusterfuck.
Yea, right...
Tell you what. Look up the Eisenhower period in Japan and the reconstruction. Specifically check the japanese citizen suicide rate. Then take a look at the death toll in post-reischstag Germany. How many US Soldiers died in shootings, partisan actions, accidents, and friendly fire in Germany 1946?
Then come back and try telling me about how bad Iraq is.
I don't know what's wrong with me. I guess I just expect gamers to know about how Wars really happen.
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But, since you're a parrot for the Democrats and popular news-media culture, I guess I shouldn't be suprised.
I still think it's interesting that even after we cluster-fucked Vietnam into a no-win situation, capitalism and market-economy still manages to pull off a win from inside the country.
The moment Wal*Mart Hanoi opens, I'm declaring that we finally won that war.
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Iraq is completely different in that it's a mismanaged clusterfuck of a war/police action where political expediency won out over defined goals, and where the enemy was poorly defined, able to blend in with the native populace, didn't wear military uniforms, used improvised explosives basis, and received arms and support from neighboring countries, but it's a different kind of brown people who are the enemy this time.
And capitalism and market forces have taken the better part of three decades from the end of the Vietnam War to pull off a win. So, I guess we should expect Wal*Mart Baghdad in 2036?
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Might I also remind you that the Vietnam war was predominantly mismanaged by Democrat Presidents and Democratically controlled Congress. Not that it matters. But it is a little tidbit that practically everyone manages to leave out of comparisons between the Iraq war and Vietnam. Then there are the issues of military micromanagement, which, despite cries of Rumsfeld demonization, has not happened.
Oh, then there is the gigantic, 800 lb. gorilla of a reason why they don't match. We never beat off the Vietnamese army. People can whine and cry over soldiers they couldn't care less about dying overseas, we did gain control over Iraq and are now dealing with a historacally NORMAL period of post-war turmoil. That's what burns me so bad over this. This VERY SAME THING has happened after every war we've been in in the last 100 years, but to listen to people today, not only is everyone suprised that blowing up a country to rid it's controllers of power didn't end up in an episodic, Disney'esque ending where the princess lives happily ever after, but then they go back and CLAIM to give a damn about the 2,000+ soldiers that have died over there, and the 200,000 iraqis that have died, but you never hear anyone say SHIT about the average of 163 people that die EVERY DAY on US Highways.
Let's see, 2,000 soldiers... 178,000+ citizens dead all during the same period. But the Iraq war is a clusterfuck.
Yea, right...
Tell you what. Look up the Eisenhower period in Japan and the reconstruction. Specifically check the japanese citizen suicide rate. Then take a look at the death toll in post-reischstag Germany. How many US Soldiers died in shootings, partisan actions, accidents, and friendly fire in Germany 1946?
Then come back and try telling me about how bad Iraq is.
I don't know what's wrong with me. I guess I just expect gamers to know about how Wars really happen.