This just in...

[kierthos]

The Pope is fucking nuts.

Now, I'll just sit here and wait for the flood (trickle?) of people who agree/disagree/tell me I'm going to Hell.

Edit: Just put a comic about this up on scurrying_light

Comments

[morinon.livejournal.com]

This is nothing new. This has been the viewpoint of the Catholic Church for some time.

[kierthos.livejournal.com]

Oh, I know it's been their position that life begins at conception. But the whole "embryos have rights" thing is new to me. I've never heard it phrased like that before. (Okay, other then right to be born.)

[morinon.livejournal.com]

If you contend that they are living human beings, then you must contend that they have the same rights as living human beings. It's just logic.

[kierthos.livejournal.com]

Okay, I'm not exactly explaining what my belief is. Let me try this in more detail.

I don't believe that life being at conception. Conception occurs when an egg is fertilized by a sperm. If I did believe that life begins at conception, it would logically follow that any woman who uses a 'morning after' pill would be guilty of ending a life (i.e. murder). I don't believe that either.

So, then, I ask myself... at what point does life begin? When the fertilized egg splits into 2 cells? 4 cells? Again, no. How about when the embryonic stage is over (roughly 8 weeks after fertilization)? Okay, possibly. But at two months, the fetus isn't going to survive on it's own. But then we're at that tricky logical fence where "if it can die, doesn't that prove it was alive?"

I admit, it's a gray area, morally and legally. But I have a hard time saying "Yes, this mass of several hundred cells has rights." without a wry look on my face.

A Simple Solution

[the-corruption.livejournal.com]

I try to keep things as simple as possible. It helps keep me out of intellectual or moral "grey areas".

The willing abortion of an embryo or fetus is the ending of a potential life. I also believe God frowns on it (to put it lightly), and counts it as a mortal sin. Potential life is important to society as a whole, otherwise, no one would give a flying crap about Global Warming. It won't hurt US, it'll get the FUTURE generations. People who aren't living yet. Potential life.

I also think the abortion procedure is physically and psychologcally damaging, and that NO importance is given to this issue by the public at large. It is a sacred cow now.

I also believe it should be legal in the U.S. to obtain an abortion procedure. I don't believe it's the governments job to keep sinners out of Hell. If they're so adamant about getting there, fuck 'em, let 'em go.

That's pretty much it in a nutshell.

[morinon.livejournal.com]

I was talking about the Catholic belief that life begins at conception. They're the ones who contend that. Personally, if I had to give a good legal limit on abortions, (which is not my personal view, mind) I'd say nothing after the first trimester, or after a month of finding out you're pregnant, unless it's a case of the mother being in mortal danger.

[copper-fingers.livejournal.com]

'they' were saying when benedict VIII (thats his number, isnt it?) came into the papacy that he would be more conservative and 'strict' compared to the more liberal JP2...

meh he's old anyway so i don't think he will be there for too long.

Re: A Simple Solution

[copper-fingers.livejournal.com]

exactly! church and state should be separate!

Re: A Simple Solution

[nash076.livejournal.com]

Why can't everyone be like this? Having moral convictions and yet staying out of other people's choices?

[kierthos.livejournal.com]

The current Pope is Benedict XVI.

Benedict VIII was back in the early 11th century.

[copper-fingers.livejournal.com]

ah well
i had one of the multiples right at least
so many fricken numbers